The Cross and The Table — Vox Pops

The cross is not the central image of Christianity; it is the table.

From a comment by zero1ghost on my last post. What do you think?


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7 responses to “The Cross and The Table — Vox Pops

  1. John Clavin

    That is a beautiful observation.

  2. I like that a lot; here’s something else to chew on (at the table) – *Jesus* could be a git, but *Christ* is a flawless platonic construct – a perfect humanistic model in our heads, that the historical Jesus introduces us to, and more-or-less (imperfectly) exemplifies. We get the Jesus we’re given, and then we make our own Christ…
    A bit like being a carpenter, I suppose.

  3. First, I must confess that I had to look up “Vox Pop” — I was glad to read that it is commonly used on British TV and perhaps a little less common over here in the USA. After understanding that it means “voice of the people”, I must object to your use. Zero Ghost is a minister, and has makes his livelihood from of his liberal Christianity and is thus decidedly not “Vox POP” but instead, is “Vox Clero”.

    My second confession, I didn’t read your series — now I will go back and catch up! 🙂

  4. OK, I caught up.

    The cross is not the central image of Christianity; it is the table.

    There are lots of Christianities. This “Let’s-all-love-each-other-and-have-a-great-meal” Christianity is just a version Ghost is pushing for.

    Movements exist in lots of religions to do the same. The movement become sects of their own or influence other sects and the evolution of that religion continues. The is no “one Christianity” no matter what the prescriptionists declare as they try to influence the world. There is not truth to discover, just lots of folks trying to effect each other.

    In my neighborhood. Christians invite you to their table and are all nice until you refuse to bow your head and say a prayer or send your kids to their Bible camp. Then they realize you are dangerous for their cute little Christian children who they pain stakingly indoctrinate to the beauty of their flag. And then the table is closed — no more invitations and they tell their kids that mine are going to hell. Those kids then announce in school that my kids are going to burn.

    No tables here, just pyres because crosses aren’t culturally acceptable any more.

  5. Ian

    @sabio 1 – Vox populi was intended to suggest that I wanted you to have your say, not that I thought Zero’s point stood for everyone. I agree it is one viewpoint. I loved the phrasing, the theology (as always) I’d want to quibble about.

    @sabio 2 – Thanks for the angle, and likewise to John and Shane too.

  6. Sabio, it’s ever the temptation to draw the line and exclude. it’s really freak’n hard to be that open whether you have faith or not… we all have out buttons. i hope to keep at the table and not dehumanize you and your kind family and i’ll preach it that my community should strive to do the same. sorry for the harm inflicted and i hope you’ll forgive my transgressions and those of my misguided brethren. thanks for your 2 cents.

    good comments one and all, thanks for the honor Ian.

  7. Unfortunately, if I asked (some) the Christians I know what they think of the image of the table compared to the cross, they would only blink, remain expressionless and become quite uninterested in talking to me.

    So, just to turn this into a question,

    what would it take to get (more) Christians to see the table as their central image?

    Or more plainly,

    What does it take to get a Christian to change image-allegiances?

    (Assuming they are capable of change, that is…)

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